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Debate Score:26
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Total Votes:27
Ended:11/13/09
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Should NHS students who get in trouble at school be kicked out of the organization?

yes

Side Score: 7
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no

Side Score: 19
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1 point

I believe that if a member of National Honor Society is caught acting against the four pillars in which National Honor Society is originated on, they ought to be removed from the society. These students fall short of the regulations that the organization sets, which are mandatory for all members to follow; if they are permitted to remain in the organization, our reputable standing will lower as a result.

Side: yes
1 point

As a member of National Honor Society, I'm aware of how the selection process works. One must show devotion to their school and community. Whether students show this through elected positions, tutoring hours, or school involvements, these students are leaders. If a student fails to uphold their expected characteristics, NHS will suffer. This is an elite group of individuals that has dedicated to superior academics and a scholarly work ethic. This group works as a team. If one member fails to play by the rules, all members are pulled down as well.

Side: yes
1 point

Deviating from the foundations of NHS not only shows disrespect for your membership, it also undermines the authority and credibility of the rest of the organization. Sure, minor incidents can be met with appropriate reprimands, but larger offenses should be met head-on with firmer consequences. One major misstep sets the stage for another, so it is paramount that infractions be nipped in the bud. If we become lenient on our jurisdiction, what message does that imply to those outside?

Side: yes
1 point

The National Honor Society is known not only for academic achievements, but for character. For a member to violate that standard and perform such a act, like theft for example, should be kicked without question. The reason being is that the member disrespected what the National Honor Society stands for and if people outside NHS found out, they would think that NHS lacks credibility and just allows any deliquent to join. NHS members are role models and should not promote any misbehavior, especially one of such severity. Therefore, that student should be used as an example and deserves to be kicked.

Side: yes
1 point

As members of National Honor Society, students are expected to live up to high standards and not only excel in academics and extracurricular activities, but to remain leaders in the school. The term "trouble" can be very ambiguous, even if clarified as "little" or "a lot." Standards should be written in stone in a prestigious organization such as NHS without allowing the rules to be bent for certain individuals. No member should be above the law, for even the President is consitered a citizen in the United States.

Side: yes
1 point

Before making any hasty decisions, one has to consider the severity of the situation. Obviously a minor slap-on-the-wrist crime shouldn't constitute the punishment of walking off the NHS plank and similarly, worse offences certainly require the need for harsher punishments. However, the conduct of the NHS member should come into play before finalizing any choice;therefore, a holistic approach needs to be taken. Has the student actively participated in NHS? Have they contributed significantly to the society? Prior to the incident, have they had a relatively clean slate? And if so, should leniency be granted? (& If not, tough luck?) The question is very ambiguous and I for one, cannot immediately take a stance without complete knowledge of the situation.

Side: Split
1 point

The basis of NHS is an example of excellence. Just like public figures such as the President or the Pope are held to certain standards, so are NHS members. If an action breaching the pillars of service, leadership, scholarship, and character is witness and not addressed, it weakens the authority of NHS as a whole.

Side: yes
1 point

Students who are members of NHS have shown themselves to be academic leaders at the campus. They are some of the hardest worked students at school and are all around good kids and as such I feel that they should be given a second chance. Members of NHS are often involved in other activites around school and are burdened with many responsibilities, with all this stress I feel that they should be cut some slack every once and a while. This doesn't mean that I condone misconduct I just feel that being kicked out is harsh and that they should perhaps be put on probabtion instead.

Side: No
1 point

The point of being in the National Honor Society is that you have shown to others around you that you have demonstrated a certain quality that needs to be reconized. I belive that if a member of NHS does not follow what NHS is founded on should be punished but not kicked out becouse one action does not take away from all their past actions.

Side: No
1 point

All teenagers stumble once in a while in their lives, and I believe that they should be given a second chance. The adage, "It's not about how hard you fall; it's how you get back up," pertains to everybody.

No one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes.

However, the number of mistakes should be limited. If a student continues to repeatedly do the same offense, they should definitely be kicked out of NHS. But, I believe that everyone in NHS will always learn from their first mistake that they have made while participating in the organization, and I believe that each and every one of them will grow into more judicious and wise adults from the lessons that they have learned.

Side: No
1 point

I agree. Nobody is perfect. NHS is an honor society, not a society of perfect students, because that would be impossible.

However, if somebody makes the same mistakes over and over, they should be kicked out. Maybe NHS should have a system; One offense= warning, two offenses= suspension and three offenses= kicked out.

Side: No
1 point

The students selected to be a part of the National Honor Society are a selective ones. They are seen as students who try and excel in everything they do. To many other students, they are the people to follow and admire since they are always helping in the comminity. What people need to understand is that they are human just like everyone else and they are not perfect. This students have many responsibilities to take care of and they can be overwhelmed sometimes. If they make a mistake they should be given a second chance because everyone deserves one. They should have thought better about the consequences but nothing can be change now. They just need to try and correct their mistake.

Side: No
1 point

Since NHS is an organization build on the characteristics of role models, members should have the characteristics required to be part of the organization, because this members represent NHS. If a student gets in trouble they should be responsible to obtain the consequences of their actions and they should have an opportunity to show their maturity by accepting the punishment. NHS should have guidelines regarding misrepresentation of the organization which will put members under close watch of the NHS Sponsors.

Side: No
1 point

I realize the importance of National Honor Society and all of it's rules. But we are teenagers, and everyone does make mistakes, whether you like it or not. Even the best of us fall down sometimes, and people usually deserve a second chance. But it does depend on the type of trouble they get in to. If they keep getting into trouble after being warned once, then yes they should be removed from the organization. But one mistake should not penalize their membership, because if they have made it this far in NHS, they certainly deserve to be in it. Everybody makes mistakes, they just need to learn from them.

Side: No
1 point

I think it depends on the severity of the offense as well as the number of times the offense occurs. A student should not be kicked out for a small slip up such as a tardy or one little in-class incident. However, if a student gets caught cheating or some other major infraction, they should be kicked out. There are multiple tiers of offenses outlined in the student code of conduct. If the organization were to draw a line at a specific tier, then I think a lot of discipline issues would be easier to handle and we would find that a lot of infractions would be forgiven.

Side: No
1 point

Members of NHS are those who have proven themselves to be exceptional students and overall people of a higher quality of character. As such, members should not be expected to cause any trouble in the school they are trying to help, but such cases should be handled on the nature and severity of that offense. A one time minor slip should not constitute immediate removal from the organization, but a major offense should have consequences but not necessarily something as severe as removal without exploring other methods.

Side: No
1 point

Given, the National Honor Society stands for the four principles of Character, Scholarship, Leadership and Service and its members do not include the average student. However, perfection cannot be expected. Regardless of how mature, intelligent, well-mannered, and seemingly flawless the NHS members are, teens will be teens and mistakes will be made. Although, there are some acts that are well beyond the typical misbehavior, and those who commit these wrongs should be punished.

Side: No
1 point

NHS has set requirements for entrance. Not just anyone can get it, and it is an honor to be inducted. Therefore, it seems fair that once you get in, you are in for the rest of the year. Students who have been role models and leaders their entire life should not be kicked out of the organization for one mess-up.

Side: No
1 point

I think that NHS students have been chosen for the very reason that they make very few mistakes and do what's necessary to be a leader and good student. Even the greatest of leaders make mistakes. I think kicking a student out would be the most ridiculous punishment considering that the student worked so hard to get into the program to start with. Maybe a little probabtion would be sufficient. Then if the trouble making continues then be kicked out.

Side: No
1 point

There are several variables to be taken into consideration when penalizing a member of an exemplary organization such as National Honors Society. The members of NHS not only represent MacArthur High School to other organizations, but they are also the ones other students look up to or at the very least respect. So if a NHS members falls by stepping out of the line he or she must be punished to serve as an example to all students. Rules are input for a certain reason and must be followed.

But at the same time, I think what is a leadership without compassion and forgiveness? As I previously said, there are several things to considerate before giving a verdict. Even if they are part of NHS, none of the less they are still human and it's natural to make mistakes. I think in the case that was discussed during class, it is harsh to kick out those members considering what happened. Just as long as they learn from their mistakes and commit to atone their mistakes it will become a valuable experience. After all we can't learn everything by just being successful. Another big thing to consider is the hard work they had to do in order to succeed into getting into NHS. Yes wrong misdeeds should be punished accordingly, but I don't think it is the adequate decision to shatter one's dreams due to one incident.

Side: No
1 point

hm, it really depends on what they do and how severe the 'crime' is. someone can get a detention for tardies, however this doesn't mean they should be removed from the organization. (i mean really, 4 minutes to make it to class is nearly impossible for some no matter how hard you run). and then you have students that, lets say gets in trouble a few times for disruptive behavior. in that case, a student should be removed from NHS. it all boils down to the severity and frequency of the act committed.

[and i really hope you aren't grading our grammer and typing skills ms. sangalli!!]

Side: No
1 point

I agree with most of the people who have posted so far. Removal from NHS should depend entirely on the severity of the offense. There are extreme cases, where a student does something incredibly destructive and deserves to be kicked out, and there are others where it is something minor and it can be handeled by other means.

Side: No
1 point

Mmm...well I do not feel the brevity of the offense should determine whether a student should be removed from NHS. People will commit acts they are not proud of and deeply regret. However, a person with any wisdom has the ability to learn from the past and live for a better future. That is why I think needless reprimanding is unneccesary for NHS caliber students. As long as one lives up to his expectations, there is no need to be put on probation. Having to deal with mistakes and learning from them is the ultimate punishment.

Side: No
1 point

No I don't believe they should. Especially if its a small misdemeanor. NHS is a group of outstanding individuals both in character and academics. But I do not believe this calls for perfection. Students will get in trouble on rare occasions thats just the way things will occur. We're all perfectly imperfect human beings.

Side: No
1 point

I spoke to a police officer about a year ago and I asked him if he always wanted to be a police officer. He said that when he was a kid that he never could picture himself ever being one. Apparently when the officer was a teenager in highschool he was arrested for getting into some trouble with drugs. He could have been sent to jail but luckily the judge was lenient and only made him pay a fine. The police officer told me that the incident changed his life and that if he would never have been arrested then he never would have been a cop. His story made me realize that if someone has done something bad, they should be given the chance to show that they have learned from their mistakes. If an NHS student gets in trouble at school for the first time, then they should be given another chance and not be kicked out. But if they continue to get in trouble...........then yeah kick him out.

Side: No
0 points

HAHAHAHAHHAHAH

I think half of those people who said yes should get kicked out of NHS for being hypocrites!

Side: No